Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

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    nec

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    Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by nec on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:19 am

    My current issue with the Vampires is that in the canon it takes hundreds upon hundreds of years for one to reach any high rank, let alone two to five to reach adept. It is pretty much impossible to progress from fledgeling to master all through role-play, even with timeskips (I haven't seen one in quite a while, since our first change to evocity). And we can't do major timeskips (10-20 years) because that would be unfair on human characters. Currently the only way to role-play a high ranking vampire is to apply for one or ask an administrator for a character, can we fix this?
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Pixie Replacement on Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:41 pm

    I'm still not sure how to do it personally, if anyone has suggestions, feel free to post them here. I agree that it's an issue, but we don't want people ranking up every other day.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Fuzzy Wolfy on Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:06 pm

    Personally I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for fledglings and new vamps to climb the ranks into adept in a few days, or more preferably, a few weeks as it would just be them getting used to their new powers. I think the change from from lowest rank to second lowest rank is not a big enough deal to warrant years upon years of training.

    However, Masters are supposed ti be the end-game for vamps, people who've been alive for thousands of years honing their abilities and feeding near constantly... We already have like 5 - 6 of those already, and hardly any of them are Nosferstus. In my opinion, we have too many high ranked vamps already. Having a few characters stay adepts wouldn't hurt.

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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Kurogane on Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:50 pm

    I think the gap between Fledgling and Sanguine and Sanguine and Adept shouldn't be -that- bad.

    There honestly isn't that much of a difference in power between the first three ranks that should make it difficult to get from Fledgling to Adept.

    Hell, my character Alexander is an Adept and he is 90 something years old and he shares a rank with like a 15 year old girl, so yeah.

    I think since alot of the rank difference also has to deal with endurance and resistance to UV light that it wouldn't be unreasonable that intense physical training could see a character advance in the first 3-4 ranks and such. 

    Another way you can do it is in some Vampire mythos a Vampire is capable of becoming a stronger Vampire by drinking the blood of a Vampire which is stronger than them. 

    But I do agree that the higher higher tiers should be harder than usual to get to.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Fuzzy Wolfy on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:51 am

    Highlander RP here we come.
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Nemesis™ on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:00 am

    There are 5-6 master vampires---we dont need anymore. 

    Right now, if someone wants to rise in the ranks, have them be sired by a master vampire and trained by them-- the highest i'd say is veteran for anyone who wants to rise ICly, you dont need the age, but if you create a blood bond with a master vamp-- get the proper training, and have some of their bloodi n you, your abilities do increase.

    Simply stated, have blood transfused between a master and other vamp-- trained-- and honed in with them and the rank should rise according to how the master vampire perceives it.
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by nec on Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:11 am

    At the moment, it would take 60 or so IC years to reach veteran from what I've been told.

    I'm not saying anyone wants to be a master vampire, I'm saying we need a wider variety of people within the ranks, we have too many fledgelings and too many masters.

    My character is currently sired by an Elder Vampire, has Master Vampire blood in her system, has been a Vampire for (give or take) a month OOCly. If what Nemesis says becomes canon, then I believe my vampire character should be above Saguine, as it's only logical.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Major Tom on Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:12 pm

    I dont see why vampires arent a faction in a similar way thatl lycans are, just say the ranks mean nothing power wise, nerf powers in general so you dont have so flegling going ham on DECA. Problem solved. This has the added benefit of possibly encouraging fights between the two


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Detective Zero on Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:23 pm

    Pixie told me himself a Veteran would be 300~ years.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Pixie Replacement on Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:52 pm

    Pixie has a tendancy to pull figures out of his ass, and wasn't considering the current fact that we have to RP rising in ranks.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Shanaro on Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:03 am

    If I may be so bold, I'll create an addition to my Vampire Lore Guide about ranking up, I'd say it'd take at least 1 OOC month to get from a Fledgling to a Sanguine, then an additional month to get from Sanguine to Adept, from there, ranking up would become more difficult.
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Fuzzy Wolfy on Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:37 am

    I would further suggest to give vampires a set of goals to achieve for each rank, like being trained by their Sire or any vampre of significant rank. It'd make becoming a vampire nore sensical than just running up to one and yelling "Bite me!"
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Major Tom on Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:59 am

    How does Lycan powers and rank work? Why not just copy that if its the way I think it is?


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Fuzzy Wolfy on Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:24 am

    As far as I know, Lycans only really need time and practice to hone their skills and heightened senses. Vampires need to feed, and typically require way more time in comparison - unless both races are immortal.
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Pixie Replacement on Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:31 pm

    Werewolves live for about 200-250 years, mostly. They do age, just quite a lot slower.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Bourneco - Retired on Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:53 pm

    Major Tom wrote:I dont see why vampires arent a faction in a similar way thatl lycans are, just say the ranks mean nothing power wise, nerf powers in general so you dont have so flegling going ham on DECA. Problem solved. This has the added benefit of possibly encouraging fights between the two
    ENCOURAGING FIGHTS? We need to STOP fights. Players like to white-knight the living CHRIST out of ANY (I don't care if you're a master, an alpha or some hyped up junky who thinks their a fucking were-rat.) person who tries to do ANYTHING bad. We need to KILL humans. Vampires need to become a THREAT. If anything I think their powers should be BUFFED to keep US from being killed off. That is the ONLY way I will EVER return from my retirement. Hell, humans need a nerf. We need to rip firearms from Civilians. DECA needs to act like a MILITARY POLICE force. Bad-guys need to be BUFFED. This is a city RIPE with crime. I could see some REALLY good roleplay of crimes go down, but no one is going to do that because we're too FUCKING AFRAID of getting our CHARACTERS KILLED because someone FUCKED THE FUCKING SCALES!


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Fuzzy Wolfy on Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:28 pm

    Vampires are a threat.

    Fear / DECA are constantly backed up into a corner whenever they do anything - and I mean, anything. The militarized police force that was designed and armed to deal with Supernatural Threats against the public have been reduced to just regular chumps with fancy helmets because people don't like to be gunned down or even arrested whenever they hulk out or kill someone they don't like. It's ridiculous to see the people in charge getting so much backlash and hate whenever they try to act and use the authority they've been given to deal with IC problems.

    The only thing protecting us from said threat is the fact that most of these vampires are white knights themselves - that, or they are friends with white knights who'll protect them OOCly as much as they do ICly.
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Bourneco - Retired on Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:57 pm

    Fuzzy Wolfy wrote:Vampires are a threat.

    Fear / DECA are constantly backed up into a corner whenever they do anything - and I mean, anything. The militarized police force that was designed and armed to deal with Supernatural Threats against the public have been reduced to just regular chumps with fancy helmets because people don't like to be gunned down or even arrested whenever they hulk out or kill someone they don't like. It's ridiculous to see the people in charge getting so much backlash and hate whenever they try to act and use the authority they've been given to deal with IC problems.

    The only thing protecting us from said threat is the fact that most of these vampires are white knights themselves - that, or they are friends with white knights who'll protect them OOCly as much as they do ICly.
    In SOME CASES they are. Even then, most of the times when I've done ANYTHING on a vampire character, everyone pounces on me real fucking quick. Or even a civie, for that matter. I get absolutely ass-fucked for it. We need a BIGGER MAP too, to reduce factions running into each other. We need a true pack to be reformed for Lycans, and a system of clans for Vampires.


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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Shanaro on Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:16 am

    It kind of goes both ways, DECA and Vampires both need to choose their fights carefully, because I've seen both groups get fucked royaly when going into action.
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    Re: Can't climb the vampire ranks icly

    Post by Fuzzy Wolfy on Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:22 am

    It's hard to choose your fights when you're a public service that promises to protect people, in FEAR/DECA's case.

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